019: Incredible Tips For The Best Ministry Fair (& Why You Should Do One)

Episode 019: Incredible Tips For The Best Ministry Fair (& Why You Should Do One)

Intro 0:01  
Hey, this is Laurie Acker. Welcome to The Small Church Ministry Podcast.

Laurie Acker 0:15
Hey, welcome back to podcast episode 19. I want to just thank you for listening and making this podcast such a great place to hang out. If you were not able to be with us this weekend at the Kidman and youth ministry conference, or if that’s just not your area, it was just incredible.

If you don’t know about our conferences, yet, we host free quarterly online conferences just for small churches, we focus on different ministry areas each time, we had one in the fall all about volunteers, and one in January about women’s ministry. This past one, it was about children and youth ministries specifically for small churches. In July, we have a really special event for pastors’ wives coming up, and for the first time ever in October, we’re doing a conference for small church worship ministry. If you want to find future dates for the conferences, just visit smallchurchsummits.com, and there’s also a link in the show notes. 

Just a couple of testimonies that came in from this last conference. Well, first, my favorite part was meeting Terry from Botswana in the networking room, yes, from Botswana. Not only was it incredible to talk to somebody on the other side of the world, but she had her whole children’s ministry team tuning in for the conference. In fact, part of her team was in her living room with sleeping bags, because of the time difference, the conference wasn’t going to wrap up for them until 1 am. I just thought that was the coolest thing ever. 

Then another testimony that came in just said this: “The vibe and atmosphere that you are able to achieve in an online format is incredible.” I have to agree. The speakers provided information that is relevant and foster action steps that are achievable. I can’t wait for more as well. Please help spread the word about this ministry about this podcast about the conferences, anything that’s made a difference in your life, would you just please share it? There are so many churches in your area, in your town, in your state, your province, in your country that you have so much more connection with than I ever will, in other parts of the world even, so please share the hope that you find here. There’s a lot of small churches who still need to hear. 

Laurie Acker 2:18
All right, let’s jump into today’s topic. One of the biggest struggles that small churches talk about is volunteers. They need more, or a small number of volunteers is doing too much, or that most people who attend their church, they attend to spectators rather than servants. As I spoke about in my volunteer series, a few episodes back, when it comes to recruiting and retaining volunteers, we definitely hold a bit of the responsibility for all these people being spectators or being consumers as some people call them. As long as a few people serve and keep it all running. Why would somebody else step up? They come to church, they put their kids in Sunday school, maybe go to class themselves, they enjoy coffee in the Welcome Center. I mean, think of it this way, when you go into a restaurant, do you ever think “Oh, I better get up and help with the dishes,” because I don’t, I enjoy coming and sitting and being served. There’s nothing inherently wrong with that. That’s how restaurants are set up. That’s what’s expected. 

I don’t know if you’ve ever thought about this. For people coming into the church who aren’t serving, maybe that’s just what they know. I’ve never been in a restaurant when a customer who was dining suddenly stood up and started bussing the tables, so if that’s all they’ve seen coming in and being served, why would they do something different? There it is if that’s all I’ve ever seen. Think about it. Why would I do anything different? It’s what I know. It’s what I’m familiar with. It’s how I was raised. People seem happy to serve me. I come to the door, they welcome me, they hand me a bulletin. I enjoy the morning and I leave. 

I know that every now and then somebody gives an announcement asking for help. It still seems like it’s always covered by somebody else. I mean, everything is working, right? They never actually closed the nursery or stopped serving the coffee. That’s the scene, there you have it. Please do not be surprised that there are so many people not stepping up to serve. Usually, it’s just what they know. I know that you know, that’s not the healthiest way to run a church. It’s definitely not the way God designed the church to function, but when you see it from their view, doesn’t it make a little bit of sense? 

Laurie Acker 4:31
Now, I want to suggest that this is exactly why there are core families in many small churches who do most of the work. You probably know what I mean. You’re probably one of them, where the whole family seems to serve. Sometimes it’s the pastor’s family, but usually, it’s more than that. It’s the family who has been in that church maybe for more than a generation. Their kids grew up seeing their parents serve and also being involved, and those kids who grew up serving setting up tables and chairs, helping fold the bulletins, or putting food out at the potlucks, they’re probably still doing that. 

These are the people, everybody looks up to head the events or to teach the next small group. Sometimes you’re lucky enough to even keep those kids that we’re serving as children into their adult years, and shock of all shocks, their kids seem to be the ones serving too. Do you see it? They were raised in it. In a culture of serving in the church, of being part of the church. You know what? They know they’re needed because here’s a frequently repeated phrase, have you heard this one before? It won’t get done unless we do it. Or how about this? I do it because nobody else does. 

The sad thing is, those no one else’s are misjudged. They’re also missing out. Those no one else does people, the ones who don’t step up, they don’t really get church culture. Most often, they’ve never thought about it. They’ve never thought about who set up the tables or who folded the bulletin. There’s nothing wrong with this, I just want you to think about this is just how things appear, like in a restaurant. Do you walk into a restaurant and think, “Wow, who drew the chalk sign with the specials on it?” Or “Who put out the condiments?” or “Who swept or forgot to sweep the floor.” 

This is not an indictment of the people not thinking about it. It’s just a fact. It’s a culture. It’s how they grew up. I really don’t believe that most people walking into a church, those who are labeled consumers, I don’t believe they’re staying consumers on purpose. I truly don’t think they walk in and think “Ha! Somebody folded those bulletins for me.” Or “Those people practice for hours at their worship practice for me.” Or “That person, there? They cleaned the children’s room for me, all these people are here to serve me.” No, I don’t think that’s true at all. 

Laurie Acker 6:59
These people that are sometimes labeled consumers or spectators, it’s very likely that they just never thought about it. Just like you don’t think about who stocked the paper towels in the restaurant. Even if you stand up on Sunday mornings, and you say, “Hey, we need help.” Honestly, they still don’t think you’re talking to them. Just like if an owner at a restaurant said, “Hey, I need help bussing the table.” Would you think they were talking to you? A diner sitting there eating? No, you would think if they stand up and say, “Hey, I need help bussing that table.” They’re talking to their bussers, their employees, the ones who are trained, the ones who are on their team. 

I just want you to think about the fact that maybe just maybe the spectators or the consumers don’t know they’re on the team. I realize this might seem like I’m taking it to an extreme, or maybe it’s a bit of a stretch for your circumstance. Do you think maybe even a little bit of what I’m saying might be true? If you’re ahead of the pack, your pastor may preach about the body of Christ, and about how we all need each other or that God’s given you gifts to us. Maybe you do small groups about it, or you have teachings about spiritual gifts or utilizing whatever God put in you to serve a greater group at large or to be light in the community. You might even ask people to serve and get them involved, you know, even asking them from the pulpit or have signup sheets or even in a membership class. These are all great things but I want to give you one more idea. 

Have a ministry fair and make it an annual event and do it well. Hold a ministry fair. Maybe you’ve been to a ministry fair before and maybe it was boring or unsuccessful. The sad thing is, that’s kind of typical. There’s lots of churches who hold ministry fairs or who have tried to hold ministry fairs to get more volunteers. What it usually looks like, if you’re unfamiliar, is they set up tables, and maybe each ministry area or ministry leader has a table and they stand at the table. Maybe there’s a little display, they’re ready to ask questions, and they’ve got a signup sheet. Yes. 

Does that sound fun to you? Does it sound like a fair? When I think of a fair, it’s fun, it’s exciting, it’s colorful, there’s food, there might even be a clown. I’m gonna tell you how to do a ministry fair really well, and how to get engagement, how to help your ministry leaders be successful at the fair, and also how to make it fun. I’m totally talking to a small church. You do not need big numbers or lots of money or tons of ministry areas to make this a hit. 

Laurie Acker 9:40
If you’re a little skeptical, because you’ve been part of hosting a ministry fair, that didn’t work so well. I also want to ask this question, what didn’t work? What were you expecting? For most people, they think if you don’t have your signup sheets filled with new volunteers, then it didn’t work. I have to disagree. Of course, having some new volunteers sign up might be one of your goals but ministry fairs can do so much more. If you make fairs about recruiting people, you’re missing out on some better things. 

Ministry fairs can raise awareness of all the things that go on in your church that make it what it is; they share a vision. Ministry fairs can also build community. Done right, you’ll see people talking and laughing and mixing with people they don’t usually hang out with. Ministry fairs also can celebrate those who are already serving, people who aren’t usually seen or recognized, they’re suddenly seen, in fact, a few extra little elements into your ministry fair and how you’re going to just see relationships initiated, and others strengthened all over the place. 

Ministry fairs also elevate people who come to the fairs. The message is we’re all in this together. You’re important. We want you. Look at all these cool places you could join in. Ministry fairs also raised the question and start the conversations of “where do I fit? Where would I want to serve?” It is a great time for people to learn and explore. Sometimes that’s the first best step. You see a ministry Fair has the potential of shining a spotlight on the importance of everyone. Not everyone as a whole, but everyone just like pieces in a puzzle. If you’re missing a few pieces, the picture just isn’t quite complete. You are important. 

Practically speaking, how does a small church hold a successful ministry fair? When I say successful, here’s what I would measure. It’s exciting and motivating, that makes it successful. That people participate, interact, and they’re engaged, that conversations happen that would not have happened otherwise, that people catch the vision that the church is a body of many people serving together and that we need each other. Another thing that I think makes the ministry fairs really successful is that people who are currently serving, feel supported and honored. That is success. That people grow in awareness of all the needs and jobs that actually happen at the church and keep it running. That people grow one step closer to finding their fit. 

Laurie Acker 12:24
Let’s say a person comes to the first ministry fair, that’s a win. Let’s say somebody else asked a question at a booth and never did that before. That’s a win. Let’s say somebody starts wondering where they fit in the church, that is a win. Let’s say somebody else really does put their name on a list shirt. That’s a win too. Keep in mind, the success in a ministry fair is not plugging all the holes, or filling all the spots. It’s about growing a culture of serving and finding your place in the body of Christ. 

Let’s just be real, it takes time to change a culture. I’m not just saying your church’s culture. Keep in mind the restaurant illustration. If someone has never served in a church, that’s their culture, it’s part of how they’ve been raised, part of what they value and who they are. The first step for them might just be the awareness. “Oh, they’re talking to me. Wow. They’re talking to me. Yeah, they’re talking to me.” If people in your church are all warmed up and ready to start serving, you actually might see a significant shift from one ministry fair but it’s not usually one. Just remember that getting people serving is not the only win. 

Let’s say you decide to host a ministry fair. A typical ministry fair, I’m going to show you what that looks like, and then I’m going to tell you what I’m suggesting you do. A typical ministry fair is set up so that every ministry has a booth, like a fair, and there’s a person from each ministry at the table or the booth to answer questions or to get people to sign up. If that’s all you’re doing in a ministry fair, it’s pretty boring. It’s also not really a fair. It’s just a bunch of information booths. Let’s do better. 

When you think of going to a fair, what elements make a fair a fair? Picture a fair and maybe you’ve never been to a fair. I don’t know, I’ve been to a few. If you haven’t been to a fair, picture one that you’ve seen in a TV show, because when I think of a fair I usually think of a county fair or a fair that is set up in the parking lot at the mall. They almost always have a Ferris Wheel. They’ve got food. 

Laurie Acker 14:32
I know when I was at a fair as a kid, my favorite thing was the funnel cakes. I know, totally terrible. Deep-fried gluten with sugar on top right, but that was my favorite thing and a fair. My brother probably liked the rides and my sister? Honestly, she probably liked hanging out with her friends. That’s the thing about a fair. There’s something for everyone at a fair. There’s fun stuff. There’s conversation, there’s food, there’s things to do. There’s lots of interaction and tons of things to look at, maybe somebody’s face painting. I just want you to get the picture that a ministry fair at a church can be a lot more than just a bunch of church tables set up in a hallway with a signup sheet. Do you see? Let’s host an awesome ministry fair instead. 

All right, here we go. Here’s my best tips for hosting the best ministry fair ever. First off, start early.  Right now, while I’m recording this, it’s May. If I was planning a ministry fair today, we would be looking at the fall. I know you can throw it together in a month, but it’s not going to be as good so give yourself some time. You want to have the right people involved and the impact that you’re going for. Don’t throw it together. Pick a date, that’s three to six months away. 

Next step: form a team. I talk about teams a lot and I want to talk about who are the best people on this team. It’s not just your regular people, it can’t be that. You want to bring in some people from the fringes if you want it to be good because they’re the only ones who know what they would want to see; the people who aren’t serving. If part of your vision is to get people excited about serving, you’ve got to talk to the people who aren’t. What would get them to show up? 

If you plan this event with just your faithful few, you’re losing out, because they’re gonna plan what would work for them in the depths of their culture, what they’re used to. Instead, get the ones that you want to come to help you to plan it, it’s the best way out. You’re also going to want somebody on a team who is just known for throwing great parties like fun parties. 

Laurie Acker 16:37
Next, you’re going to need at least one creative dreamer person on your team. Plus, I absolutely want to recommend that you pull in a few teens if you have them, and maybe even creative elementary students. Okay, you’ve got your date, you’ve got your team, after your date, and your team, brainstorm and make a plan. Talk together about how you can bring in all the senses; sight, sound, smell, taste, and touch into this fair. This is so important because we are moved by our senses, God set this up, we are excited, we are drawn in by our senses. 

Think of a fair, you do not want this to just be another Sunday or another potluck, it has to be different because it’s a fair. Make it fun, make it exciting, make it colorful. If you’re an older church, and you’ve got an established team, this is part of the reason why you need some younger people involved on the planning team because they know what would draw them in. 

Now for the booths. This is where I want you to listen super closely. I am really big on making sure your volunteers are successful. Telling a ministry team leader to set up a booth is not what they need to be successful. They need more than that. What can happen with booths is this, you’ve got eight booths, and most of them are boring, and one is fun. You don’t want just to put a ministry leader in charge of a booth with no help. It’s not fair. It’s not everyone’s skill set, and it’s not going to have a great result. You need to equip them to have an awesome booth.

Here’s a couple of ways to do that. First off, give them a base plan and have a point person in charge of the booths, somebody who they can call for help or support. Tell them exactly what you want at a booth, what you’re envisioning. The someone who’s in charge of all the booths can even help decorate all the tables, that someone can also help provide each booth leader with a board. There’s two reasons for giving your ministry leader a pre-built board or a pre-supplied board. 

Laurie Acker 18:40
Number one, you want a little consistency. You’re going to set this board up on a table and you want everything to look good. Second off, you want it to be amazing. Bring up the standard and set the tone because if I was a ministry leader, and somebody told me to get aboard, the first thing I think of is those cardboard-like science fair boards, that kind of are like a threefold. Pretty boring. 

What I’m suggesting is that you make some boards that are big and very cool. The best ones I’ve seen we created many years ago out of insulation board like that we found at a hardware store. It was pink, it was like pink foam and it was a couple inches thick. What we did is we bought these big boards and we cut them in half, which left us with 4×4 foot squares. Yeah, those are big. They’re also going to cost a little money but if you’re committed to doing a ministry fair every year and you’ve got a place to store these boards, you’re gonna get a lot of mileage out of them. 

After you cut them in half, wrap them in colored craft paper like off a roll we use bright, bright yellow, and we also had somebody in our congregation just make stands. We actually made wood stands because we had somebody with a jigsaw. Just like a board would have like two legs, one on each side, that’s what the stand looked like. 

Boards like these are going to make a huge difference in the feel of your fair because they provide color and just a big punch right when you walk into the area. When you have your ministry teams represent their ministry, everybody is also starting with the same slate, you won’t have one, that’s awesome and one that’s like black and white, you know made with marker, these boards set a tone, that’s a really big deal. It shows that you care and that you want this to be awesome, it’s not just going to be like a normal, boring church ministry fair. It also tells them that you’re going to help the ministry leaders be successful. 

Laurie Acker 20:31
In addition to the boards, you want to give each ministry leader two more things. Number one, a clear instruction sheet about what to include, like photos, lots of photos, and a hands-on activity. That hands-on activity is so important. Don’t skip this. This is one of the things that makes the fair amazing. We’re talking about something at the booth for people to touch or try or taste or practice. 

Here’s what it might look like. You have a ministry table out for the person or people who stream the worship service or the sermon, the tech at that table, maybe you have some tech out, maybe you’re actually streaming this event live, and they get to see how it works, or maybe you let them hold the camera. Maybe you’ll have a sound mixer that’s at the booth, and you explain little bits of how it works and what you do back at the sound booth. Isn’t that cool? Wouldn’t you want to just go see it? 

Another idea: maybe the worship booth, you know, for the worship team, has a keyboard with funky sounds on it for people to play or maybe a microphone. Maybe you’re doing a science thing at that booth that explains sound amplification. Who knows. Maybe the hospitality booth has some samples, like different cookies and treats and you let people vote on their favorite coffee or cookie flavor. For kids ministry why not have a story corner and have a child ready to read to the adults who come? Wouldn’t that be fun? Or a playdough table with an activity, maybe for adults too, or maybe they can build a tower and win a prize. 

Every ministry booth has a piece of action at it. There’s something to do, touch, taste, try. Remember, a big goal of the ministry fair is awareness and relationships, and engagement. It’s not just to get people to put their name on a list. I promise you, that might be part of it, but if you are looking long-term, what I am talking about is going to give you so much better results. When relationships form, that’s when teams begin. If you’re looking for volunteers, think deeper, look to build teams instead of recruiting volunteers, you’ll start finding that your volunteers actually stay longer, and honestly serve much more happily. 

Laurie Acker 22:42
What if the deacons had a table and their engagement piece was demonstrating how to caulk a window, and they even let kids or adults hold the caulk gun and try it? Maybe you’re not recruiting deacons, because they’re chosen and they go through a different kind of process. It’s a ministry fair, you’re just highlighting the different ministries of the church. That’s okay. Maybe you have a quilters group with demonstrations. Maybe a child can pick a fabric square, and somebody could sew it as only a quilter could do, and that child gets to take home that little square. 

This makes me so happy just talking about it. Can you picture the intergenerational connections happening all over the place? The goal of the ministry fair becomes less about getting volunteers to sign up, and more about showing how people are using their skills and passions in the church. You know what happens then? More people are attracted to ministry. You see, when the goal is to sign people up, it puts us in rejection mode, like we don’t want to walk toward that clipboard. When we’re learning and exploring something so different happens. When we’re tasting things and touching things. We’re opening up in a whole new way and we’re seeing possibilities. 

Think of a salesperson that’s walking up to you with a clipboard. What do most people do, they walk the other way. They’re already in rejection mode, but picture a person behind a table doing a demonstration, offering a taste, or having a conversation. Not to sell you something, but to show you something, see what I mean? It’s so much less scary and so much more fun. I hope you’re getting excited about this possibility of doing a different kind of ministry fair. 

Laurie Acker 24:26
In addition to this board, and you know, giving each ministry leader these two things, the first one was clear instructions on having photos and hands-on activities. The other thing I want you to give each ministry leader is access to a creative person. Somebody who’s excited to help them if they need it, with ideas and resources, and physical health to even put the board together or the thing at their table. Often this is a great spot for your creative teenagers, or even a creative kid because everyone isn’t in touch with their creative side. I really believe everyone has a creative side, but it’s kind of intimidating for a lot of people, they think they can’t come up with their own ideas. 

If this is about setting up your volunteers for success, you do not want to volunteer looking bad, because you made them make a display on a booth, and they’re not good at it. It’s like making little kids sing up in front of church when they don’t want to sing, and they’re not good at it. It’s a terrible experience. Don’t do that to your adults, make sure they’re successful. If you can help them be successful, the experience will be so much better for everyone. The booths can include photos, visual aids, the more 3d the better, and food, always food. In case you didn’t know, the table with the candy always gets the most people so definitely suggest it. 

All right. Don’t forget to make it a fair you need more than booths. Booths might be one of the primary things, but it’s so much more. Let’s talk about what else you can add. Food is a must. This doesn’t just have to be samples given out at a table. It also doesn’t have to be fussy and it doesn’t have to be expensive. You’re a small church, you do not have to go out and rent a cotton candy machine. Although if you know somebody who has one, that can be really fun. You could just pop popcorn and put them in paper bags, it will do just fine, or having a cookie station or lemonade, but do something different than the norm. If you always have lemonade out in the mornings on Sunday, make this one a pink lemonade, or have some fun fancy cups for it. Maybe make rice Krispie treats, you know, drizzled with chocolate or candy. That’s another fun and cheap and easy treat to make. 

Laurie Acker 26:39
You’ve got your booths, you’ve got food. Now let’s talk about decor. How do you make it fun? Making fun decor does not mean you have to spend a lot of money. Just cover the tables with bright plastic tablecloths or one of my favorite decorating hacks to add a lot of color is actually buying a roll or two of the plastic tablecloth, but in a roll not in the sheets. Suspend that tablecloth from the ceiling, or do some draping around the doorways with it. It is super quick and easy to add a splash of fun color that way. If nobody’s allergic to latex in your church, think about balloons. 

For extra fun for the kids, you might have somebody’s face painting. Again, if you’ve never done this, it is so cheap and so easy. If you have a real artist, that’s great. Maybe they’re going to have a sketching station too, but so many people can do face painting, you would be so surprised. 

Keep in mind a fair. What’s at a fair? You could have a few games, you could have some plastic bowling sets or ring toss, whatever you have in your congregation. Again, this is why you need a planning team with a few creatives involved. If you have more people on this team, they can each take a little piece, it’s not putting more on you. We don’t want to have you do more stuff or be more overstretched. It’s about bringing a few other people in who can show their time and talents too. You may know somebody who makes balloon animals, or somebody who knows how to juggle or can teach people how to juggle. That would be fun. 

Can you imagine an event like this? Done right? It might even be the event that families bring friends to. How cool is that, showing the church in action? Do you know how many people in your community lack purpose? They wonder if their life matters. They want a place to share their gifts and talents. What if they could use their gifts and talents in your church to make a difference, and along the way, they also find Jesus? Sometimes we feel like we need to bring Jesus to them first, that they need to make a decision and a commitment and hear the gospel but they don’t. Oftentimes people are part of a church serving before they ever make a decision to find Jesus. 

Laurie Acker 28:51
Back to the fair. Have you thought about ministries that should be represented at your fair as we’ve been talking? I say if it happens in your church, give it a table, give it a booth. Even if there’s one person in that area, and they’re not even looking for more volunteers. Give them a table too. What about the finance team? Or the bookkeeper? Absolutely, yes. Let people know all the different volunteer positions, even paid positions that are represented in your church. Let them see how much the church does and how much they need to keep going. Remember, getting volunteers is just a small part of the ministry fair, more important. You’re giving everyone a shared vision of how broad the ministry of the church is. 

A couple questions that you might be thinking. What if you don’t have a team or any creative people to help? I suggest you find them, and it truly is easier than you think. Ask around, ask somebody who’s never done anything in your church. Find an artsy teenager at the local high school. Somebody’s daughter-in-law, who throws great parties. Ask your friends who they know who could do these creative things. 

You see, you don’t have to be at a certain spiritual level to help with this event. Honestly, sometimes service, as I mentioned, is the way people get drawn into a church. They’re helping with a project and they’re meeting Jesus-loving people along the way. That is so priceless. Think broad, have a ministry fair, not just to recruit volunteers, but to celebrate the vision of the church, God’s vision. We’re all His people with different talents, different personalities, different gifts, and different passions. Where all these people come together to be the church to spread the love of Jesus. 

Just another quick thought, why not have a personality inventory booth, pick one of those simple personality assessments like the one with the animals, or the colors and make it a booth. Have people take the short assessment and hand them a card with how their results turned out, like on the card it says alligator and alligators usually do this, this, and this. How fun is that? 

Laurie Acker 31:03
If you heard my last podcast on inventories and assessments, you might remember I said, inventories should never be used prescriptively. It’s not like you’re an alligator so you need to do this. It’s just personal development. It’s personal knowledge. They are so valuable just to recognize that we’re different from everybody that we’re unique. It helps us get to know ourselves and others a bit too. Could that be part of a ministry fair? Absolutely. It’s part of the big vision. 

Lastly, I also want to suggest, instead of having signup sheets at every booth, like for people to volunteer, just remove all the pressure, and don’t have signup sheets at all. Yep, you heard me right. Instead, ask people at the end to fill out a quick survey before they leave and give them a gift if they fill it out. Make it super short like this. “What was your favorite part of the ministry fair?” “What would you have liked to have seen differently?” “Would you like to be part of the team putting this event together next year?” “What’s one thing you learned that you didn’t know before you came?” Maybe it’s a person they met or a ministry they never thought about. How about this question? “Is there any ministry area that you’d like to know more about? If so, which ones?” What do you think of a survey like that? Do you think you could learn some things? Do you think people would be happy to fill it out, to say what they liked and what they didn’t? 

This is my super sweet idea to help people get more excited about serving and help them catch the vision of the church as the body of Christ. If you put these ideas to work in your church, would you let me know how it went? Let me know what you do. I’d love to hear. Until next week, please leave a review of this podcast. Would you let me know what you love and what you want to hear more of? I actually do take requests. All right, have a great rest of your day, and be a light.