057: Spreading Peace In Nepal | A Small Church Conversation With Charmaine Stulp

057: Spreading Peace In Nepal | A Small Church Conversation With Charmaine Stulp

Laurie Graham 0:01
Hey, this is Laurie Graham. Welcome to the Small Church Ministry Podcast.

Laurie Graham 0:14
Hey, welcome to the Small Church Ministry Podcast. If this is your first time listening in, you have found a place of encouragement for small churches with practical strategies and ideas that work and a lot of stories of God working in our midst in small places. We really believe that small church ministry isn’t less, but it is different. We believe that God is at work in all size churches and our job is just to join Him there. We believe in doing ministry, like Jesus building relationships, meeting needs, and growing as disciples. And today we are beginning a discussion about missions and the impact that small churches can and are having across the globe. We’ll be talking about increasing impact, whether you are a church who has a history of supporting missionaries and even sending them or maybe you’re a church who has never even dipped your toe into the waters of global impact. So wherever you’re at, we’ve got you covered. So to get us started in the discussion today is my friend Charmaine Stulp from near Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada. Charmaine, I’m so happy you’re here with me today!

Charmaine Stulp 1:19
I am so excited to be here, Laurie. I love your podcast, and I can’t believe I get to be a guest. So excited!

Laurie Graham 1:28
That’s really funny, but I’m happy you’re here, and maybe we’ll have you back again, sometime. Like we do a whole series some time. So we’ve enjoyed having you speaking at our conferences. If you’re listening in, Charmaine is like one of the favorite conference speakers and it is so cool, like just to meet people from small churches all over the globe, who are doing really cool things. Like, we don’t have to find like big name speakers out there. In fact, that’s not even what we prefer. Like, we love talking to people who literally are living the life of small church ministry, and that’s you. So anyway, I’m grateful. So, let’s just jump in.

So, Charmaine is not only just a part of a small church near Niagara Falls, Ontario, Canada, but she’s also a staff member for the Be In Christ Church of Canada. And she has been involved in missions from the support side and has also been able to visit one of their global initiatives really far from home. So we’re going to just delve into this topic. And the first thing I wanted just to hear you share, Charmaine, is just tell us about your experience when you were able to visit Nepal. Like, tell us about the project, how you felt even getting off the plane, you know, what did you experience when you were there?

Charmaine Stulp 2:39
Yeah, it’s, clearly we don’t have enough time, but I will tell you, I mean, you say how do you feel getting off the plane. I was, I was thrilled because it actually took three planes to get where we went. So first we went to Delhi, India and then we went to Katmandu and then from Katmandu, we took a smaller plane yet and another 45-minute plane ride into this remote area in Bhadrapur, Nepal. Very much at the southern east part of Nepal in what they call the planes or the lower, the lower lands. And its, when you, you say the word you know plane that immediately brings a memory back for me because on the plane from Katmandu to Bhadrapur what struck me was the coughing. There was such an amount of coughing that at first and I would say even for a while, on the flight, like I thought, oh my goodness, like the type of coughing is like, rude. That, that’s what I thought. I’m just being transparent here. And then I clued in which I had known but I’d forgotten. The air quality is so terrible in Katmandu, in Nepal. Certainly worse since the earthquake that they had in 2015, but I think before then as well. Like, it’s just terrible air quality. And so this, all of the sudden, my, my own thoughts and posture about what I thought was rude coughing changed to just how, what, like, how much I take that for granted, right? That I breathe clean air, relatively clean air in my country of Canada.

Laurie Graham 4:38
Now, was this your first time like going somewhere overseas or somewhere remote or do you do this all the time?

Charmaine Stulp 4:40
No, this was my first time and it was a biggie. Like you can do shorter-term missions trips that go to Cuba or Nicaragua that are much closer. Now this, but this was my first trip and it was huge to go that far. And, but I had met the directors of this particular program, the Nepal Peace Project, Hannah, and Shemlal are the leaders of the BIC church in Nepal. And they are the ones who created this program, and it was actually born out of another program that they have that’s an education initiative, but because the legislation in India and Nepal surrounding the education of kids is changing for the better, they had to come up with a new program in order to be able to educate kids. And so the Nepal Peace Project was born. And I had met Hannah and Shemlal, about a month before this trip. They had come to Canada for another reason and I got to meet them. And so that, too, was very special because they were no longer strangers. We’d spent a week together already in a month prior to this trip. And so then to get to see their home, and this project that they’ve poured so much of their life into. It was just, yeah, it was amazing.

Laurie Graham 6:16
Wow, that is so awesome. So this project is part of your denomination, then?

Charmaine Stulp 6:22
It is, yes. So as you said, I belong to the Be In Christ Church of Canada, or BIC as we call it. The American, our American partners are called the Brethren In Christ, BIC in the US. And there’s a network of BIC churches all over the world. India, and Nepal, and Canada, and the US have a long history of working in partnership together.

Laurie Graham 6:53
You know, that’s one thing I’ve seen with as I’ve talked to different missionaries as we’re getting ready to, we’re going to talk about missions at our next Network event, and we’re working on give developing more resources about missions for our website, and our resources. And one thing every single missionary or people involved in missions have said, is partnership, partnering with other people in other places, and not like just sending somebody on their own or, you know, just like an individual, it’s always partnerships. So do you want to talk a little more about that?

Charmaine Stulp 7:24
Yeah, absolutely. Partnerships and relationships. You know, when we look at kind of the needs, that there are around the world, it’s, it’s overwhelming, right? It’s way too much. And we feel helpless to be able to respond. And when you become a partner with someone, and you begin to develop a relationship with a leader in a different country, or a missionary in a different country, that friendship, that trust, it grows over time, and you can focus your efforts and your money in one area and make a difference in one area, rather than giving $40 here, $20 here, $50 there, right? You can focus in and it becomes a much more rich relationship for both sides. And it’s because it’s an equal partnership. It’s an equal relationship.

Laurie Graham 8:26
So what do you what do you, what do you mean by an equal relationship?

Charmaine Stulp 8:32
Well, we have this, there’s that whole like, white savior complex, right, or in North America, we’re rich, and in Nepal, they’re poor. So I am helping them and they should be grateful for whatever I offer them. That kind of thing that’s just so misguided because it’s so, we are partners. We’re both in ministry. We’re on the same team, and you get to know somebody and hear about their struggles in Nepal, or in Cuba, or Nicaragua, their struggles in ministry. Yes, we live very different lives, but at the same time, we have so many commonalities in ministry.

Laurie Graham 9:14
You know, you told me you, you pointed me to the website, because we talked about this ahead of time, just like go check out this website. And that little boy, I took his picture. Can you tell us about that little boy, did you get to meet him?

Charmaine Stulp 9:25
Yeah, I did. So the Nepal Peace Project has more than one location. They have four locations now. We got to visit two of them, and so, and spend a good amount of time there because we took along a photographer and a videographer too so that he could take photos and get video content and create a promotional video out of that. So I love to play around. I have a good camera that I like to play with, but I really don’t know what I’m doing. But I’ve spent so much of that day, taking photos, laughing and giggling with the kids. And when you, if you go to the website and you open it up the very first picture that greets you is this adorable little boy, who I got to hang out with for a day, and ya, his smile is just contagious. If you need to smile, just open up the website and have a look into the eyes of that little boy.

Laurie Graham 10:28
You had been involved in this initiative already. And so I’m sure you knew of the needs, but what, how did the needs of the people there impact you, or what did you see as you know, great need?

Charmaine Stulp 10:38
Well, a huge thing in Nepal is education. It’s not available to everybody. It’s basically only the rich that get to put their kids in any sort of quality education, any sort of public school. And we know that education changes a kid’s life. And so we began to partner with them in a way that kept kids at home rather than sending them off to like a hostel or a boarding school type thing. And then it’s, it also is run out of the local church. So families get involved in the local church. So it becomes not just an education initiative for the child that’s in the program, but it becomes an evangelism opportunity for the entire family and the community. So we met, especially girls, if you’re going to educate anybody in your family, there in Nepal, you’re going to educate your boys and not your girls. And a lot of girls get married by the time they’re 15, and have no education and no dream. And we talked to a number of girls who were taught they have dreams. They said we, we wouldn’t have had dreams, our mothers didn’t have the ability to dream. And these girls, these 12-year-old, 13-year-old, 14-year-old girls were saying, “I’m going to be a teacher.” “I’m going to be a nurse.” “I’m going to be a lawyer.”

Charmaine Stulp 12:04
And, you know, again, we take those opportunities for granted here in North America. When you hear and something else I’ll tell you Laurie, too. It’s, the community there is so, so close and so family-oriented and kids are running everywhere, and little ones will get picked up here and there by different adults, right? They’ll just pick them up, they’ll snuggle them and you think, oh, that’s their dad. And then another man would pick up the same little toddler and have a little input and you’d go, wait, who? And what you begin, what we finally came to realize was, it’s so very much just a community. Your kids are my kids. I love them. I pick them up. I schooled them. I protect. Like it was, there was never that fear about talking to somebody else’s kids. But one of the really cool things is that hanging around as well was this elderly lady.

And we asked for their permission, obviously, to take their photos to get video content. And so we asked them to sign waivers. And this grandmother, I noticed, Hannah, who I had met, Hannah had an ink pad. And she asked this woman to put her thumb in the ink pad and put that on as her signature because she never learned to write. She didn’t know how to write her own name. And so even that, right? Seeing, you know, two generations from her, these girls dreaming about being lawyers. And it was very profound.

Laurie Graham 13:50
And how long has the Be In Christ had this initiative, the Nepal Peace Project?

Charmaine Stulp 13:55
So the Nepal Peace Project now, is probably about five years young, five years old.

Laurie Graham 14:01
You went really early in the process?

Charmaine Stulp 14:03
Really early, yes. Because we were, we were wanting to commit to it, but it was a big amount of money for our small, we have a small denomination. And so we had one of our larger churches in our denomination, had agreed to be a major sponsor, a major supporter for one year. And so we wanted to take a few of their leadership and show them what they had given to, what they were investing in, so that they, as well, could spread the word about the project. And now, again, it was born out of another program. So it wasn’t, you know, completely brand new. They took, they took an older program that had been around for 30 or 40 years and improved it and changed it.

Laurie Graham 14:55
So I grew up in the church and my experience with missions, honestly, as I was growing up was, you give them money, and they stop into your church every couple of years to share what they do, and they give a newsletter, like, every month or every quarter. We’d get a newsletter, and it was, it felt very detached and I didn’t really have, like a big understanding, you know. And as I’ve talked with other people, a lot of people like, in their churches, that’s kind of the feeling. The missionaries’ over there, and we pray for them, and we get a newsletter, and that’s about it. I would like to see that change! Like, what has your experience been? Have you seen something different in smaller churches where they’re connecting and any ideas on how to do that?

Charmaine Stulp 15:42
Absolutely. I mean, I do think it’s important to be connected to people who have been doing this work for a long time, but once you get connected to say, a missionary, or a pastor in another church, you can start up a relationship. And over the course of a year, two years, five years, you develop a friendship, but you also develop the, yeah, the partnership. So we have a church, a small church in Ontario, who is partnering, it’s a three-year project where they, $2,000 a year is what they’ve committed for three years. So $6,000, which really isn’t that much money for an entire church, but they’re planting a church in Cuba. So you’ve got a pastor in Ontario, that’s partnering with a pastor in Cuba who’s trying to plant a church, and he knows that for three years, he has the support of this church, and then he can send photos, and now with, with technology, right through WhatsApp, and Google Translate some of the barriers that were between us before, really, they’re not, it’s not an excuse anymore. I talk, I don’t speak Spanish, but I can throw something into Google Translate and talk through WhatsApp or my Facebook Messenger and get the gist of what’s going on and have a great conversation. And I know, you know, when they’re blessing me, it’s so yeah, it’s, it’s beautiful.

Laurie Graham 17:26
So how have you, I know you were like in charge of this project or very involved in this project and bringing the communication back to the denominations. How, how were you able to communicate some of what you experienced because most people, we don’t get to go visit these places, like we kind of have an idea or thought, but there really is something special that happens when you’ve experienced it. So, how have you been able to, I don’t know, translate that to people, you know, back home or how can we do a better job with that?

Charmaine Stulp 17:57
Yeah, you know, I struggled before we went, because I knew how much it would cost our denomination, right, for me to go, for this team to go, to pay a videographer, right, to work while we’re there and create this content. But there is something that you just can’t put a price on when you actually get to go and experience it and see first-hand. And so we know that like, an entire denomination can’t go, but the fact that I was there, and my boss was there, and you can say, I took that picture, I took that picture. I know that little boy exists. I know he lives there. I know the poverty, you know, I can point to, see this girl that’s in the video? That is her house, I was there! And so there’s a personal connection. And so though we can’t send our, you know, everybody in our church, I can tell a firsthand story, which is powerful. And so, if you do get a chance ever to go on, you know, sometimes they call them exposure trips, or that kind of thing. If one or two people can go from your church, and as a church, you can, you can partner in that as well to send one or two people from your church, to establish that personal relationship, that will pay in dividends afterwards, for years and years. Because that personal connection is, is priceless.

Laurie Graham 19:35
Yeah, and this goes back to something you mentioned earlier about partnering because a lot of small churches I’ve been in it’s almost like we do a project here. We do a project there. We do a project there and and you know, we also believe that, you know, missions in our own city is important and our own regions. And it’s not just about you know, reaching overseas either, but when we can choose like one place, like you said, to build relationships, something different happens. Because, even like children and congregations then, they kind of grow up learning about Nepal, right? So it’s not the first time because they’ve been kind of part of the stories or they’ve heard them. And I love what you said about like Skype these days. And so for many people with missionaries they want, they want you to be involved. They want you to know what’s happening. And even to be able to put a video, even a live call or something at different times, out to your congregation is pretty beautiful.

Charmaine Stulp 20:31
Yeah, totally. And in a, in a whole family way, as well. Like, we have a great relationship with a global work to, a couple, a male and a female. Oh, my goodness, I can’t speak. A husband and a wife, who are in the Middle East, and I can’t tell you where they are, because it’s dangerous. They have four kiddos, and they’re serving there. And as a church, and families within your church who have kids, they can have a relationship with the kids of the global workers as well. You can write stories, you can take some pictures back and forth. And again, yeah, with email and with Facebook, there’s no excuse to not have, you know. I have a good friend who is a global worker in Zambia. She started out as a person I just supported because of my job, and now she is, you know, a dear friend. She got married, she has a baby. She sends, I wake up in the morning, because the time difference, I’ll wake up to this photo of her six-month-old that’s just like, gosh, I mean, yeah, you can have a relationship and, and be a support to them because it can be so lonely.

Laurie Graham 21:53
Yeah, for sure. So, let’s talk about small churches. You’re in a small church. I’m in a small church. We work a lot with people in small churches. I’m assuming a lot of the churches in your denomination are also smaller?

Charmaine Stulp 22:05
Yes, most of them are. Yeah.

Laurie Graham 22:07
You know small churches, so small budgets. We’re wearing way too many hats. We’re spread really thin. Some of us are barely paying our pastors. You know, we’re worried about this and that and all that. So why should missions be a priority, like global missions? Not just local, but also global? What have you seen with that or what, what’s your opinion on that? Or should it be a priority for small churches?

Charmaine Stulp 22:30
Well, so, a church has to know what they’re called too, right? Again, we can’t do it all. So a church does need to decide where they’re going to focus their efforts. I do think it’s good to be balanced in that. So I think you do some things within your own walls, you do some things, right, within your community, maybe you do some things within your country, and then I do think it’s good to look broader than that as well, right, to the ends of the earth, so to speak. But, again, it doesn’t have to be expensive or big. If you have, you know, I get, I, part of my job is to manage the books. So I receive the checks that come for the global initiatives, and I will get a check, I just got a check this past week, it was for $62 from a church for a project. They, they took up an offering, and that’s what they raised $62. And that’s what they sent to us, and all of that, you know, the next time that there is a disaster, because the that’s the fund that they designated it for, the next time there’s a disaster and we respond, all 62 of their dollars will go and does make a difference. It doesn’t have to be huge. Doesn’t have to be big, God’s in the small.

Laurie Graham 24:00
Yeah, to me, I think there’s just such a, such a value in being connected to different places, and people groups around the globe because I just think that’s a little piece of heaven. Like, I think we’re all going to be in the same place at the same you know, time and just worshiping Jesus together. And there’s so many differences that we all have, but when we really like, I don’t know, it’s almost like these little dots around the globe collecting connecting, that we’re not just this small little blip. Like, our little church is part of this greater, like family and community and, and really God’s initiative, right, on the planet. And I just think there’s something really powerful in that also, just knowing that we have a connection and as you mentioned, the, you know, the the white person savior complex, however you call that, you know, like, not even that, like not even like, oh, we’re helping them but like there’s a connection.

There’s a partnership. There’s a just, I don’t know something that just keeps us all, I guess bonded together. To me, there’s so much beauty in that and, and raising younger generations to think a little bit more outside their current context, because I think that’s what Jesus did. Even just with relationships, not even like, across, you know, boundaries and borders, but even as we’re meeting people who are different than us, which happens every single day. I think all of that can just help us broaden our minds a little bit to the love of Jesus on the planet.

Charmaine Stulp 25:34
Absolutely. I say it so often because, I don’t know about you, but like, our church at times feels like we’re in competition with the other churches in the area, right? And so often I say, we are on the same team. All of us. Team Jesus! Yeah, at the end of this life, when we get to heaven, it will be so cool to see the ways that God has weaved our story, hopefully around the world. And we’ll we’ll get to meet somebody and, and we’ll have had this, this effect or will have made a difference in ways we just won’t even have had a clue about. Yeah, we’re on the same team.

Laurie Graham 26:28
For sure. Absolutely. For sure. Charmaine, you have mentioned to me three types of givers. Can you talk about that as it has to do with missions?

Charmaine Stulp 26:38
Yeah, absolutely. So, when I was in Nepal, one of the things that they do is when you enter a building, everybody takes off their shoes and they leave them all outside on the steps. And so you go in with your bare feet, or your stocking feet, or whatever you’ve got on your feet. And so I took a picture of that, because there was just, like, probably 100 pairs of shoes strewn all over the steps of the church that we were at, the one Sunday afternoon. And I took a photo and when I do a presentation, I will show that photo, and I will say, “Which shoes in there would fit you?” And we talk about that first, right? How beautiful are those, the feet of those who bring good news. And I think that there are different types of givers. Generally, I say that there’s usually about, kind of three big broad, broad categories of givers, but some people are like, practical, right? They have one good shoe or boot, they wear that all the time. It does them for every event. They’re a practical person. They, and that’s what they want to give to. They want to keep the lights on for places, They want to give in ways that are super, like, like the support of a global worker, or a missionary, that monthly $20, $40, whatever they want to do, because they’re practical.

Charmaine Stulp 28:12
Then we have givers who are moved by disaster, and by poverty. And so that shoes that they put on are more compassionate, more merciful. And when they hear about an earthquake, or a sickness that a person doesn’t have money to go get treatment for, they are moved to compassion in those types of projects. And so that’s where they’re more likely to give. Then you have a person who has moved by education. They think education is so important. The more the better, right, because they know how education opens up a world. And when they hear about an education initiative, like the Nepal Peace Project, that for them, is it, that’s their giving heartbeat, right? They were shoes of education. And so I think it’s important for individuals and for churches to figure out, what is their giving personality, that too would help them to focus because as I, as we talked about at the beginning, there are so many needs. So how do you decide. Well, God has wired you in a way and He wires churches, right? Churches have personalities.

Laurie Graham 29:02
Yeah, for sure.

Charmaine Stulp 29:02
And so you, you will, you’ll begin to see, oh, our church totally would be all about the practical or no, they would be more merciful and disaster-oriented, or education-oriented. But I think when when you, you figure out who you are as a giver, as well, I just think that’s an important piece because then it’s also it’s a lot easier. You’re more generous. You hear about that and absolutely you’ll respond without thinking. My daughter, a couple years ago, I was telling her about just some of the options because we did one of those giving catalogs at Christmas, that we asked people to have, you know, all year. And there was a Bible school in Zambia that needed new desks and tables and chairs, all of their furniture was falling apart. They sent pictures. It was breaking and cracking. And I happened to mention this and my daughter, she was 18 at the time, she was like, “Oh, Mom, I could totally give to that.” She’s like, “Yeah, I’ll give them $100.” That’s like, Mikayla, that’s like. Like where’d that come from?

Where did, yes, she has it, she’s not a good giver, like on a on a regular basis, but she heard about that project and just, just like that, oh, I totally could get on, you know, on board with that. So I think it’s important to, to know, you know, to do some of those, ask some of those questions, as well as a church where, where do we feel that we’re being called to, what area?

Laurie Graham 31:04
I think that’s so important for our own awareness, and also for some grace and compassion for other people who maybe have different heartbeats than we do or want to give two different projects. Because I think sometimes in small churches, well, big churches, too, but small churches as well, like, we have an idea for this. And we’re like, why isn’t everybody on board with us, you know, and I think we’ve got to have a little bit of grace there that we are all moved in different ways. And speaking of small churches who get overstretched, we’re gonna talk about this more in upcoming weeks and in our Network event, and a few other places, but one thing that I just want to throw out to you, just to think about to Charmaine, and maybe you have some ideas, even right now, many small churches, we can’t just start another committee, or another team. And I don’t think you need a missions team to make a huge impact in missions. Because to me, when I think about not doing more things, but doing things better, like I talk a lot about carpooling as different ministry teams, like, what could the women’s ministry get behind as part of their project with this project? Where could the children be involved in this project?

Where could, like, your existing teams or family groups or, you know, however you organize your church, like, how cool would it be, just have a project that maybe people take a little different piece of in a different way, instead of having your children like, sponsor something and your women’s ministry do this and your men’s be behind this, and you’re, you know? Do you kind of see where I’m going with that? Because I think a lot of times in small churches, we, we divide it all up like, like they’re pieces of a pie, and I don’t think it needs to be like that.

Charmaine Stulp 31:42
No, not at all. And because, again, what that does is allows everybody to have a piece and do what they can. So depending on, you know, if you do, like MCC, for example, does these hygiene kits, where they take a five gallon pail, and you fill it with soap, with hand sanitizer, with masks, with shampoo with deodorant? So if you do that as a church wide event, and you say, “Hey, these are the supplies on the list, you know, can we all do this together?” If, if somebody can only afford one stick of deodorant, they still can contribute! Maybe they can’t buy anything, but they can come and help to organize it on the day it all gets dropped off. Right? Like, there, it’s and that too, increases your relationships within your local church as well. When you come together to do something for other people, it builds your community and your relationship with your local church. Just amazing.

Laurie Graham 33:49
Yeah, yeah. All right, we’re almost out of time. So I’m starting to ask this at the end of interviews because I’m finding that I’m missing things. So is there anything that you wish I had asked or you were waiting for me to ask or something else that you want to share that we didn’t cover?

Charmaine Stulp 34:05
Oh, one of the things that is on my heart as well, is that we, when we’re thinking about global missions, that we take the time to do some research and to ask questions, because it can be pretty easy to give to the thing that is the flashiest, or, you know looks the prettiest or sounds the most glamorous, so to speak. But when we start to ask questions about how is, how is the funding, you know, divvied up? What are the percentages of what actually gets to a project? How’s the reporting done? Like there, I think we have a responsibility as well, to be good stewards of our money and of our resources. And I think it’s really important to ask questions about how some of these organizations are run, as well. And so that, sometimes, maybe that, you don’t want to do that, because it’s more work, but I, it’s really important because then you know, you just know that you know that you know that you are supporting something that is of high integrity, and that’s really important in global work.

Laurie Graham 35:28
Wow! Well, thank you for helping us start this conversation. We have so much more coming in the. in the future weeks, and as you mentioned that Charmaine, we’re also, yeah we’re also putting together a resource sheet of just recommended or sending organizations for churches who have no connections to denominations and are really starting from scratch. So that’s coming up too. Next week on the podcast, we’re going to continue the conversation with Jeff and Christine Stanfield, and they are career missionaries, who are now serving stateside here in the US, and they’re actually working to support other missionaries on the field. And they work with an interdenominational sending agency, and they have tons of wisdom to share. So we’re going to be talking about how to take some first steps in global missions. Whether you are attached to a denomination, an association, or you’re an independent church or a brand new church plant, like wondering where to start, with practical next steps, not just to grow awareness, but to grow your impact as a small church. So wherever you’re listening from, thank you for hanging out with us today! Charmaine, if they want to learn more about the Nepal Peace Project or even get in touch with you, how would they, what’s the best way for them to learn about that?

Charmaine Stulp 36:39
Yes. So if you go to nepalpeaceproject.com, that is the website for the Nepal Peace Project, and if you click on “Contact Us,” that, right away, will get you an email address or a phone number, and those belong to me. So that will get you, yep, you’ll get connected with me and you’ll see the project, and may I, can also just say little plug. It is a child sponsorship program, but you don’t have to sign up and be a monthly donor, you can just give a one-time gift, which we’d love as well. Because again, it just opens up giving opportunities. You don’t have to commit, or you can give $10 a month, or $50 a month, or a one-time gift of 25, like it, it’s very flexible so that we’d love as well. It makes it accessible. So yeah, that’s nepalpeaceproject.com.

Laurie Graham 36:39
And we will drop the link in the show notes too. So it’s a really easy click. Well, if you found encouragement in this podcast, would you please just do me a big favor and just take a minute to leave a review from wherever you’re listening? If you’re not sure how to do that we have some easy clicks in the show notes also, that actually explains how to leave a review because Apple makes it a little confusing sometimes. But we are on a mission to reach every small church on the planet. And believe it or not, they don’t all know about us yet. And we really have support and resources that most small churches don’t even know exist and they’re feeling alone and they’re all out there on their own. So leave, you’re leaving a review really helps other people find us. Charmaine, since you’re a faithful listener here, I know, you know how we end our podcasts. So do you want to end us today?

Charmaine Stulp 38:23
I would love to do that! And yeah, I am a faithful listener of Laurie. It’s amazing. So thank you so much, everybody, for joining us, and until next time, be a light!